i think there's a lot that can play out here, and probably a way for harry reid and other centrists -- he's not a centrist, but other democrats to sort of find stuff in this they like and have big victories, and one victory can lead to another. >> it's important what david just said, the fact that the white house is proposing a series of measures, and i've talked to democrats on capitol hill who say what we'll probably want to do is pursue some bills that can attract some bipartisan support, might even get nra support initially. this menu, then, of other things can be left to. they want to begin immigration, so the gun debate could go on for quite a while. it's going to depend on the president to the extent that he wants to go out there and campaign for this and on this around the country to bring pressure. but he made it very clear, this is now in the hands of the democratic leadership in the senate and those -- and americans and democrats who want to put pressure on house republican leaders to get this passed. and because it's broken up means that some things can succeed and some th